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  1. Susan Steinberg

    Beautiful, Marcia! Thank you.

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  2. Ann Carr

    This was so visual and wonderful.

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  3. Thank you, Marcia. Your post reminds us that every day is full of rejoicing and grieving. If we can see our time on this earth the way cicadas do, we might rush to treat our fellow man as best we can…and try to sing every day.

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    1. Marcia

      Thank you, Lyn. Can you provide the link to the post I just saw that you wrote about more lessons from the cicadas?

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  4. Toni

    Marcia, I always enjoy what you share and look forward to it. I am concerned about this vote, though. If we are to look at a potential pastor’s ordination in terms of their spirituality, etc., then I am having a difficult time reconciling that with what the Bible says. I would appreciate hearing/reading from others.

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    1. Marcia

      Thank you for your reply, Toni. You are not alone in our denomination with your concerns and questions. That fact (that there are faithful people like you with questions) and the fact that many faithful people do not share your concerns confirms again for me what is redeeming and good about the vote. The new language of our constitution does not mandate that everyone agree on this issue. The new language of the constitution makes room for the fact that people of good faith who responsibly and faithfully read scripture can come out in different places on this issue.
      The new language allows presbyteries and congregations to discern in a mode that both acknowledges these differences and remains open to God’s leading on these questions.
      From your questions it sounds like you are wondering about scriptural teachings– lots of good work has been done on these issues by well respected biblical scholars. There is consensus with many of them that the texts that seem to refer to something like homosexuality all can responsibly be interpreted a few different ways. So, the struggle does not pit one group on the side of the Bible and the other on the side of culture. We are all working together with the guidance of scripture to discern who has the gifts for ministry. We let Jesus be our guide along with our confessions and our constitution but we now no longer arbitrarily lift out one particular issue and limit how presbyteries can or cannot rule on candidates for ministry based on that one issue. For instance, some of Jesus’ most clear language in the NT is in his prohibition of divorce, but we do not prevent those who have been divorced from being viable candidates for ministry.
      I hope you will let me know more about your concerns and that others will join us in this conversation. I rejoice in the new space we have for this conversation. And I pray that I can be a good partner in dialogue with my brothers and sisters in Christ who have concerns.
      Peace,
      Marcia

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    2. Carol Ross

      I am delighted by this news! I have many gay friends, both male and female, and rejoice that the Presbyterian church will now allow gays to be ordained without thinking we must require them to be celibate. All people should have the right to be in loving relationships of their choosing and how they express that love should also be their choice. May this be the beginning of something wonderful–and the beginning of greater tolerance to the differences among God’s people. Thanks for letting me know.

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  5. Jake Kim

    Thank you for your thoughtful and insightful reflection.

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